Individualizing a Training Program with Tim Lebbossiere
Read Tim’s Article: Individualizing Your Hockey Training Program At Any Level
Full Transcript:
David Rosales: Tim, welcome to the Hockey Strength Podcast, how are you?
Tim Lebbossiere: Good, how are you doing?
David: Good, thanks for coming on. Let’s start with — let’s help the audience get to know you a little bit. What was your first job in strength and conditioning.
Tim: I’ll take it all the way back to when I was an undergrad. I went to Springfield College. From there we had to do a couple internships for school and I knew I wanted to stay somewhat local so I did my first internship at The College of the Holy Cross.
Then I did a second internship my senior year at Quinnipiac University and then I went back to Quinnipiac after graduating and stayed there for a full year as a volunteer assistant.
That opened the door to a couple different things. I got to work with USA Hockey and their women’s program with their development camps in the summer but it also allowed me to get an assistant position at Lindenwood University. I was only at Lindenwood for a year, but in between those two years I did an internship at Umass Lowell. Before I went back for my second year I got this opportunity with the Providence Bruins and here we are now, I’m going into my third year with the organization. We’re looking to start up here, who knows when.
David: For context here, we’re now almost in November 2020, the AHL season has not even been announced when it’s going to start, so there’s a lot up in the air for you.
One thing that stands out you sharing that is working at both Quinnipiac and Umass Lowell, I assume you know Brijesh Patel and obviously worked under Devan McConnell so at a young age I got mentored by some high level strength coaches.
What were some things you learned at a young age, learning from those guys?
Tim: For sure. Brijesh was for sure my number one mentor and still is going through the field, and the way that he — and Devan — does his internships was different than what I was expecting. When I think of how I expect internships to go is, okay we’re gonna have a curriculum and you gonna read this amount of books and it’s very almost similar to school in many ways. But what both Devan and Brijesh did is they kind of just through you right in the fire. You’re gonna get in front of groups, you’re gonna run warm-ups, if you must of the warm-ups, B (Brijesh) is gonna yell at you in front of the whole group and roast you a little bit. Which is good, you know what I mean?
If you get roasted in front of 30 division 1 college athletes you don’t want to be roasted again. So, you prepare to be better going forward. And both of them are so open to answering questions. I get even tell you how many times B sat me down in his office and said “So, what questions do you have for me?” And if I didn’t have anything he’d be like, “Really, you went through the whole day and you don’t have a single question about what we did,” just roasting me in private. Which is good too.
They know at that young of an age anybody can succeed in the field and they want to lead you down the path but they don’t want to give you all the answers. They want you to figure it out for yourself and then ask the right questions to balance it out with everything.
They’re super developmental in my career and they’ve obviously worked under some great people too when they were up and coming so it’s a nice transition to them to help the younger generation.
David: I had a very similar experience working for Devan. It was like, “Here are the freshman, go teach them how to do ball rollouts.”
Tim: Yup. Exactly. And it’s like if you mess up the ball rollouts they’ll let you know at the end of the day and they’ll say hey I just let you do it but next time here’s how I want you to do it instead, so it’s good.
David: I think that’s a really good lesson for young strength coaches. There comes a point where you can study the books all you want but you really just gotta get out there and coach people.
Tim: 100% man. The best way to learn is by doing. You have to learn and fail, first of all, understand that you failed, and then fix it. Again, I think a lot of people, even if they get thrown into it, they might not understand that what they’re doing is wrong, whatever it may be, but at least those guys, they allow you to do but then tell you when you’re doing it wrong and allow you to correct yourself.
David: If you can think of example, and if you can’t, then I can share an example while you think. Was there ever a time working under Coach B where you got chewed out pretty hard? What was your mistake and what did you learn from it?
Tim: Yeah 100% It was a nice little turning point when I was like, okay, do I actually want to do this?
So he would just randomly out of nowhere, whether the hockey boys or girls, or the basketball teams, if they were coming in he would tell you 30 seconds before, “hey you got the warm-up today.” The way he does the warm-ups is very specific. Everyone’s gotta count at the same time, everybody’s gotta say up when they do glute bridges, everybody’s gotta clap when they do jumping jacks.
It’s all very organized and almost militant, in a way. And I’d seen him do it, many times. I almost took for granted how hard it was to actually do that. And I’m calling out what to do — I’m calling out deadbugs and I’m calling out the wrong thing and he’s yelling at me like “Tim, get it together!” And we had a kid Thomas on the team and he was ripping into me so bad.
Say that was on a Tuesday or whatever, he ended up taking over the warm-up for me because it was so bad. Wednesday I come in and I’m like “Hey B I wanna do the warm-up today.” And he’s like, “No dude you need to relax, put yourself together, we’ll get you to do it in a couple of days.” And I was like “No, I’m doing it today. I want to redeem myself. I want to prepare everything I need to do.”
And I went in on that Wednesday and I crushed it and he just kind of let me kind of continue to get the ball rolling from there. That made me realize how much preparation actually goes into the session. You can’t just look at the piece of paper with the session and say “all right let’s just do it I know exactly all the X’s and O’s of everything on the program.”
David: What made that a turning point for you? Was that a moment you thought, “I want to pursue this further” or was it a “Now I know I can do this?”
Tim: I think it was an “I want to pursue this further” because I think the path I’d taken up to that point, and I’d a done an internship at Holy Cross before that and I done a little bit of coaching in a private sector facility as well. I’d kind of cruised through everything.
I wasn’t a really big reader. I remember at Holy Cross, at the College of the Holy Cross, they started talking about block periodization [link] day 1 and I asked “Uh, block periodization, what is that?” And he said, “You don’t know what that is? You’re really far behind.
That was junior year and then senior I go to Quinnipiac and just kept doing the same thing, you know what I mean? I was doing all right. I was a senior; I was going to graduate that year. Who knew what I was going to do after that but I think when I got that kind of slap of the face from him, it was like okay, if I want to do this I need to put in way more work than I’m putting in right now.
I started really taking it seriously. It went from “oh this is a fun thing to do so I’ll just continue with it” to a “Hey I gotta really work more ass off to where I want to be.”
David: Fast forward a few years and you end up getting a job with Boston Bruins, as the strength coach of the Providence Bruins. What was that transition like? What were those difficulties?
Tim: It’s good that you speak of Brijesh and Devan because I don’t know Kevin Neeld at all, three years ago at this point. I’ve never met Kevin at all and then he gets the job with the Boston Bruins. He’s really good friends with both Brijesh and Devan and he asked them, “Hey I need a strength coach for the job down and Providence do you have anyone?” And they both give him my name.
So I’m super thankful to them for helping with that. I think the transition that’s hard is I come from the college setting and I do things like Brijesh and Devan where some things are very militant and here’s how we’re gonna do it no matter what because we’re gonna clap, we’re gonna count, we wanna be a team and all that rah rah.
The pro-setting isn’t anything like that. You got some guys that are 19 years old that come from Russia that can’t speak a lick of English and you got some guys that are 32 and they have two kids. That’s the range of people that I have on my team. So you have to learn to mold yourself into the specific athlete’s personality. You can’t expect them to be what you want out of them.
Especially because realistically a lot of these guys are going to be on your team for only one year. Then they’re going to move on to another organization. Some of these guys will play on 10 teams in a 10-year career. They don’t want to be molding themselves ten years in a row. You gotta go to them.
Another hard point was we’d gotten hired so late in the offseason. Kevin and Kenny, his assistant, both got hired up in Boston at the beginning-middle of August. I got hired at the beginning of September. So my first day of work was the first day of training camp in Boston. I hadn’t even seen the Providence weight room, had no idea what the rink looked like, none of that. They said, “hey, we don’t even know what the equipment situation is down there, you’re just gonna have to go and figure it out.”
For a full year it was just me, figuring it out. It made the second year a lot easier when I had a nice offseason to figure some stuff out, but the first year for sure difficult. It was here’s what they did last year, improve it a little bit, here’s the equipment that you have, we’ll hopefully get you some more equipment next year. You just have to get through this first year and we’ll go from there.
David: I think that example speaks really well to what you were saying about how you just got thrown into the fire with the college setting. And now you get thrown into the fire in the pro setting and you don’t even know what equipment you have. But you were prepared for it because you had gone through that previously.
Tim: For sure. I think every year at every new position I’ve been thrown into the fire in some regard, and it’s good. It keeps things exciting, it’s not the same old boring stuff, so. For sure if I didn’t have those experiences with Devan and Brijesh and everywhere else that I’ve been, I would probably have had a much more difficult time transitioning into that.
David: As you mentioned, you get to Providence, you’re coaching players as young as 18-19 and other players in their 30’s, and that segues really well into your recent article for the site, prohockeystrength.com. And that his, how to individualize a hockey training program for any level and in a team setting.
Jumping into that, what were some of the difficulties in even thinking about how to individualize the program?
Tim: The first thing is:
What do our sessions even look like?
In the college setting it’s the whole team is gonna be there at the same time and if not it’s maybe two groups for a hockey team like before and after practice. Versus now, it’s just kind of come in whenever you want. I could have one guy in there and it’s essentially a personal training session, or I could have, I don’t even know the max capacity of our weight room is probably 15. I could have 15 guys in there at the same time.
So you could easily over-individualize when it’s one on one like that. But if you do that then you get 15 guys in their at once and then you got 15 programs going on at once in there and you think, okay, maybe this isn’t going to work.
The challenge of when are guys going to come in, the space that we have because we only have about 700 square feet in our weight room. Those are the two biggest difficulties of okay, how do we get the most out of the program and not just give a generic program to everyone.
David: What were your first steps to solving those difficulties?
Tim: So, the first thing I did was I looked at our group and very few people, at least in the pro setting, fall into this category, but I separated them into the development group and the individualized group.
The developmental group are guys that maybe don’t have much of a training background, or guys that maybe just got drafted and are 18 years old and from… whatever, Sweden… And they don’t have much training experienced they need bench press and they’re hunched over and that’s their training program.
And that happens, for sure in those European countries. So if they fall into that developmental group where they just need to train more, honestly. They just don’t have the background. They get put on a pretty generic training background which is basically a 5-3-1 with fillers in there and they’re just gonna get used to the weight room and learn to move, learn to get stronger, and get in better shape.
But like I said, very few people fall into that.
Mostly it’s just, “Hey, we’re at a really high level already, we can individualize the way that we do this.”
So there’s kind of a hierarchy I look at when I’m looking at our guys.
The first one is:
Are they big enough to play the sport at their position?
Obviously, we’re talking about hypertrophy there. I had a really hard time figuring out what I wanted to do with this. Especially because body composition is really important in ice hockey. Everyone knows that. Typically, lighter guys are going to be able to skate faster. That’s just a general rule of thumb.
We’re lucky enough we have a pretty lean team, everyone tends to be under 10% body fat. So that’s not really something we have to worry about. But what is enough muscle mass on someone?
I was lucky enough to get connected with Josh Heinen because of his connections with Quinnipiac University and Brijesh as well back in the day. Josh is a physical therapist and he has this 90 miles per hour formula that he uses for his baseball players. One of the metics in the 90mph formula is your minimum bodyweight should be 2.5 times your bodyweight in inches.
The way he uses it, that’s a momentum formula. If you’re not that weight, it’s not physically possible to throw 90 miles per hour. And if you are, but you’re not at that weight, then you’re putting yourself at serious risk of injury whether it be shoulder elbow whatever for baseball.
I took that and flipped it to our guys and said, “hey, if you’re not 2.5 times your height in inches you’re probably likely at a disadvantage when it comes to injuries as well because you’re playing against guys who are upwards of 230-250. That’s not an uncommon weight in both the NHL and the AHL.
So if they meet that criteria then then they move on to the next section. If they don’t meet that 2.5 times your bodyweight in inches, then they get put in a hypertrophy program.
The next step to that is are they big enough…
Are they strong enough?
I test this just like anyone else tests this. We go to our traditional barbell lifts. At least in Providence we do barbell bench press and trap bar deadlift. I think for the longest time I had my standards set in stone as I want everybody to trap bar 2.5 times their bodyweight, and I want everybody to bench press 1.5 times their bodyweight.
I had those standards when I was at Quinnipiac when, I had those standards when I was at Lindenwood. I even had those standards for the first year plus at Providence. And it actually changed initially because, this year, we had about three guys that were around 230 pounds.
And these guys are huge, they’re strong, they don’t get pushed around the ice. For them to meet the standards for trap bar they would have to deadlift something like 580 pounds. And I’m like okay whoa whoa whoa let’s back off there a little bit. There’s just something about that I just don’t like 580 pounds and that’s their minimum they have to meet at their bodyweight?
To me that just seemed a little outlandish. So relooked at what I thought was appropriate for guys who are lighter and guys who are heavier. And what I came away with was:
For trap bar deadlift I wanted everybody to do 2.2x their bodyweight and bench press 1.4x their bodyweight. Those are a lot lower and I think those will lower again over the next few years. I think my programming is transitioning more to speed stuff anyway. But I think those are good standards. If you can hit 100% strong enough, you can move on to the next part here in our hierarchy.
That’s what I’ve got set right now. If guys can’t hit those standards, then they get put in a strength-based program. If they can hit those standards and they’re strong enough, then they move onto our last little section here which is our jump testing.
We don’t have anything fancy here down in Providence. We just have our one Just Jump Mat. I think most people have something like that. I think most people have something like that whether it’s a just jump or a vertec.
We test countermovement and noncountemovement jump and we do that every two weeks normally.
What we do with that is we look at the Eccentric Utilization Ratio which is essentially the difference between how well you use the stretch shortening cycle in your countermovement jump and how well you just produce power from a static position in your non countermovement jump.
I look at those two. If guys’ difference between those two is under 7.5% that means their noncountemovement jump is pretty good compared to their countermovement jump. That means they’re really good from a static position, so they don’t utilize the stretch-shortening cycle as well. They get put on more of a speed-based program.
If guys score above 12.5% difference. Meaning their countermovement jump far exceed their non-countermovement jump, and they use the stretch shortening cycle well, they get put on a strength-based program as well. More stuff that’s gonna be working from a static position. So it’s gonna be a little bit then if you’re in the just not enough strength program.
Then guys that are in the middle, 7.5%-12.%, essentially me that means they use their stretch shortening cycle at an appropriate ratio and that they can produce power from a static position. They just get put on a balanced program of speed, strength, and power.
David: That’s a great, great framework, first of all. And if you want more details about all the stats and everything, Tim outlines this beautifully in his article on our website. So you can check that out.
But I want to go back to the times where you break the rules because this is a great framework but as you mentioned with the strength example, if somebody has to trap bar 585 lbs, that’s a time where we’re going to get away from our guidelines.
How do you as a coach manage those situations in terms of, okay I had this guideline but now I need to get away from it?
Tim: For sure. There are two scenarios where I run into that a lot and I do talk about it in the article but I do want to share it here.
The first one is goalies. Everyone who works in hockey knows that goalies are for sure their own breed. Most of them are tall as can be, skinny as a green bean, and they can’t lift anything that’s even relatively heavy.
Most people will look at that and say all right, they need to be on a hypertrophy based program. Well, try and get your starting goalie to be a little bit sore and then put them into a game and you’re not going to ever put them on a hypertrophy-based program again.
You could also say, well, their position is all speed-based so why don’t you put them in a speed program? They don’t need to necessarily be strong because they’re not battling any one in the corners or anything. The way I look at that one is:
They’re so lax around their joints and hypermobile that I think a little bit of strength around those joints can give some support to the ligaments to help hold those joints a little bit better.
And, I’m a big believer in giving guys off the ice what they’re not getting on the ice. The fact that the goalie position is almost 100% speed based, so I almost don’t want to give them a program that’s 100% speed based.
Goalies almost 100% of the time are going to be put on a strength-based program. The same thing could be said for our heavier athletes. LIke I said, as you get heavier those strength standards, no matter what they are, as you get heavier those numbers are going to get harder and harder to hit for people.
If you look at any guy that’s above 215 lbs in the NHL, almost nobody is knocking these guys over. And if you ask any coach for those big guys, “hey, what is the biggest thing they need to work on?” They’re always gonna say, their feet are too slow, they need to get their feet moving quicker. And you’re like, okay, that means nothing, but what I’ll take from that is they need to get a lot faster and they don’t necessarily need strength. Because even if they’re not displaying it well in the weight room, they’re displaying it well on the ice.
So, big guys almost always get put on a speed-based program as well. Those are kind of your two variables that I look at it. It’s really — It’s the art of coaching versus the science. As you get put in the field more, you realize that you can break the rules a little bit more. But you gotta know the rules before you can break the rules.
It’s getting to know the guys, it’s getting to know the coach and the style of the team and figuring out what’s best for each individual. The guidelines are just what they are: they’re guidelines. But the actual final answer is all depending on you want to put them on.
David: Yeah, good life philosophy. Imitate, before you innovate. Know the rules, then break the rules. We say that in strength and conditioning, my writing teachers say it, and when you say, I think that’s just a good life principle.
What you end up with basically with is 4 different programs for most players: hypertrophy, strength, and then the speed is split into force and velocity groups. Then even in a team with 30 guys, moving up and down from the NHL to the AHL, you’re still able to put, with some exceptions, maybe 95% of guys into one of those four programs.
Tim: And then even if I wanted to break it down even a little bit more for certain movements. We do a movement testing during training camp. And we tend to touch on it one or two more times throughout the year to see where guys are at.
But we take those movement profiles and decide
- What guys need to work on and what their limitations are and
- Are guys not going to be able to get into certain positions in the weight room.
So the perfect example is overhead flexion. If a guy can’t get 180 degrees of clean overhead flexion passively with me holding down their ribcage and them lying on the ground and putting their arm overhead, there is absolutely zero chance I’m going to let them do a pull-up. Zero chance.
But if you’d asked me two years I would have said, “Yeah everybody needs to do pull-ups, what?” So it has allowed me to break it down even more. Two guys could be on the same speed program but one guy might not be able to get into overhead flexion so he won’t do pull-ups and another guy won’t be able to get into hip flexion so he has to elevate the pad that he’s gonna touch down to on split squats or something.
You can definitely dive down rabbit holes a little bit more form four programs and you ca probably end up getting 30 individualized programs if you wanted to. But we’re definitely not going down the rabbit hole that deep for sure.
David: And even if you do go, it’s not as difficult to say, like hey actually move you split squat two inches up. That’s a lot easier than changing the whole program.
Tim: 100%. And I’ve had a couple of conversations recently like I truly think you could individualize an entire program just by giving everybody the same movements and then tweaking how they’re going to be done.
This guy if you’re trap bar deadlifting you’re gonna do it from a dead stop every time, and you’re gonna do it with 80 plus percent. And then this guy he’s gonna do it at 80 plus percent but he’s gonna have a dynamic start. Then the guy over here needs more speed, so he’s gonna do it at 60% and move it as fast as he can. They’re all doing Trap Bar Deadlifts. But they’re just implementing how it’s done a little bit differently.
David: I like that a lot. Let’s look ahead. You’re an AHL strength coach. You have not played a hockey game in 8 months. You don’t know when your next game is going to be so how are you approaching your job, communicating with your players, and all those extraneous variables right now?
Tim: I think the actual programming portion is very easy when we look at how we do our offseason programming with the Bruins. Essentially what we do is we make 5 or 6 phases in an offseason program. Sometimes are offseason is 10 weeks long like it was last year with a Stanley Cup Final loss, and sometimes, if you don’t even make the playoffs, it’s going to be a whole lot longer than that.
So we essentially plan for 5 phases of an offseason. If it’s longer, all we do is repeat phases that are little bit more important to us. So guys in a strength phase group, obviously they’ll repeat their strength phases. Guys that are more of speed needs group, they’ll repeat their speed phases.
It’s really easy right now as we get into the 8th, 9th, 10th phase of the offseason. It’s like hey now you’re just gonna restart your power phase, then your speed phase, then we’ll cycle back and get some strength in again.
That’s been really easy. I think the hard part has been keeping guys motivated. You know, it’s really hard even for us as coaches. I haven’t coached an athlete in over eight months so it for sure gets difficult to not even get those competitive juices flowing.
I for sure try to make it a point and take to at least two of our guys per week. It’s funny, you call a guy and be like, “Hey how’s it going?”
And they’ll be like, “Yeah man I’ve been training hard…” Like dude I’m not asking how your training’s going. How are YOU doing? How’s your wife doing? Are you all healthy? Are you enjoying some time off? We’ve got guys that go on the lake with the boat every weekend I’m like are you catching some sun? Are you getting a tan, enjoying the offseason?
It’s just making sure they understand that there are other things outside of hockey. Enjoy the time off, but we do have an end goal, so it’s just a balancing act with all that stuff. Including myself. It’s trying to make sure I’m staying on top of things but also knowing that I will never have eight months off ever again in my entire life. So just enjoy some of that off time.
David: Being a young guy in a professional setting you have some players who are older than you, some who are younger than you, how does that dynamic play out in the weight room?
Tim: Yeah it’s interesting. Last year when I first accepted the job I was 24 years old. My first day on the job I was 24 years old. So there are very few people that point that are younger than me. That for sure has its challenges. I had guys that I had conversations with that were like, “I’m not sure if I trust you, yet.” And that’s fine. They all have the stuff that they enjoy doing.
The way I look at it is, I’m just gonna let you do what you think is the right thing for you. If you don’t want to do what I want to do, then do what you want to do. I’m just gonna talk to you every day, get to know you on a personal basis, I’m gonna give you some suggestions and hope that you take them.
Typically what ends up happening is, they’re sore on one day or they get a little tweak or they don’t know what to do. Now they’re lost. That’s your opportunity to be like hey this guys needs me now. That happened multiple times.
Obviously you don’t want guys to be sore or hurt or injured, but when they are for sure take advantage of those opportunities. I had a couple guys last year that were all in their thirties — also being in your thirties in the AHL you’re probably gonna play a lot more than your body wants to so you’re gonna get banged up. I was lucky enough to a couple weeks with these guys where it was just one on one. That for sure helped build that relationship.
I was lucky that it worked out, and there were times where it wouldn’t have worked out, but it’s just getting to know them on a personal basis. They for the most part realize that you got this job for a reason. It doesn’t matter if you’re 24 and never played hockey. I’ve never played hockey a day in my life. But if I help them and they see success or they see someone else have success with what I’m doing then that gives them a glimmer of hope that maybe I can trust this guy and give him the ropes a little bit.
David: Last question here, what are you doing over this time off to either relax, unwind, try new things, or keep improving as a coach?
TIm: It’s a tough balance. Some weeks I’m definitely relaxing and unwinding more than others and sometimes I’m grinding on some coaching stuff. I guess what we’re doing on the coaching side, me and Kevin are working on right now how we can individualize our conditioning part of the programming. We do an ice repeat sprint ability test. We’re just trying to figure out, if this person gets this score on the test then what is their limiting factor? How do we know what that limiting factor is? And how do we address it?
So we’ve kind of branched out into some different things there. Another thing we’re doing is — and this is kind of stolen from Devan who’s now with the Devils — my hierarchy we’re trying to essentially revamp that into a way more in depth flow chart. So it’s based around what the coaches are seeing on the ice too and some potentialyl on-ice practical stuff that we give to the coaches for the players who maybe aren’t playing as and doing non dress skates and everything.
Then I’m also just working on some programming because whenever we do get back I know the protocols are going to be completely different for our weight room sessions are going to look like. So I’m just trying to prepare for what that’s going to look like and get ahead of the eight ball a little bit.
And then reading. I love reading. Some days I read a lot more than others. I have a full bookshelf of books that I’ve read and I have a full bookshelf of books that I haven’t read. Sometimes the haven’t read books just stay there because I’m buying some other books. But yeah, I’ve been reading a lot. I’m lucky my parents have a little beach us up in New Hampshire so when it was nice weather I liked doing that a little bit. I liked going for walks a little bit and you know working out. It’s a good way for me to unwind and relax, so. That’s kind of about it man, besides Netflix on the couch.
David: Good stuff man, did you watch Cobra Kai yet?
Tim: Yeah I did I crushed it in about two days it was unbelievable.
David: Dude. For us like Karate Kid it was so good.
Tim: For sure.
David: Any books that stand out of the last few months it could be training or non-training related.
Tim: Yeah, I mean I just finished one this morning that is training related, it’s called Breathe. I read Oxygen Advantage a couple years but and it’s very similar but it has an actual story behind it of this guy’s journey through learning about breathing techniques himself.
Back a couple months ago I read Total Money Makeover by Dave Ramsey and that’s definitely not field related but you can use that into real-life experience and that was kind of one of the best books I think I’ve ever read in my entire life.
In a Pit With a Lion on a Snowy Day I read a couple months ago. That is an unbelievable book. It’s a religious book but it talks about overcoming obstacles and what you can do to reform your life and everything and it was perfect timing in the middle of quarantine with what the hell am I doing with my life right now. It steered me in a good direction so those are the three I’d recommend right now.
David: Good stuff brother, any final thoughts asks of the audience?
Tim: No man that’s pretty much it. I appreciate you having me on this was the first podcast I’ve done so I appreciate you having me on. It was definitely cool this being the first one. For years I listened to this back with it was Hockey Strength and Conditioning so it’s been cool so see how it’s been transitioned with the Strength and Conditioning Association of Pro Hockey and kind of combining those two, so it’s really been a pleasure man, I appreciate it.
David: Thanks man. Thanks for coming on. Everybody go check out Tim’s article. It is called: Individualizing Your Hockey Training Program at Any Level so if you Google that it should come up or head over to prohockeystrength.com. Tim once again thank you so much for coming on.
Tim: Thanks
